Interview with Charlie Musselwhite
Lionel Young is preparing for his return to the 'burg for his performance at the Pittsburgh Blues Festival on July 23. Lionel was the 2008 International Blues Challenge winner of the solo/duo competition. What differed him from the rest? His blues set was done on an electric fiddle with a bow...decidedly an orchestra instrument. An orchestra performance ... no! It was a pure interpretation of Delta Blues ....done with four strings.
Most recently, Lionel Young took Memphis by storm when the Lionel Young Band was chosen as the winning band at the 2011 International Blues Challenge. His winning both the Solo/Duo and the Band Competitions is a first.... in the many years of the competition.
Pittsburgh, what you do not know...Lionel studied music at Carnegie Mellon and was a part of the Pittsburgh Symphony...impressive on that alone. The following conversation is to introduce to you to Lionel Young and his musical journey that is bringing him home to the 'burg.
Jonnye: What were your thoughts when you went to Memphis as part of a band in 2011 after winning the solo division in 2008.
Lionel: (A light chuckle, then a hesitant pause...and then an earnest answer) Dave McIntire, the president of the Colorado Blues Society, asked that I enter their band challenge to try for a spot in the 2008 International Blues Challenge. Frankly, my band was not interested....no pay and a lot of expenses to get to Memphis. I had promised that I would get into the competition. I really did not want to do it...but he said ...why not try it as a solo. I went "kicking and screaming" but I was honoring a promise that I had made. I didn't think that I could do it....work as a solo. It was shocking that I could do it and do it well. ( a soft chuckle)
J: How difficult was the transition from working as part of a band to performing as a solo artist? Did your solo stint in 2008 help you to prepare for 2011?
L: (Seriously) Well, I was used to working with the band. The competition opened a "lot of doors" on my first circuit. True, it seemed to be a lot of work both as a band and as a solo. There were a lot of promises. BUT...what you realize is that you are at the bottom of the pile. The next rung up on the pile is the pros. Mixing with the pros on bills like Buddy Guy, Ana Popovic, Ronnie Baker Brooks (many more were mentioned) ...is a different ball game! (quite earnestly and with a soft laugh)..You get one opportunity to make the most of what comes your way...that is the hardest part since winning... doing your best to maximize the opportunity. In some ways, we "foster" and teach the next generation with help from the IBC. (Intently and with a heartfelt passion) In preparation, I have learned to work backwards from the criteria required for the IBC. You have to work at scoring heavily in blues content and then the vocals. The rest of it, you work on it day by day. We chose songs ...making choices that were not about what we liked but picked songs that would score high. We used our experience as a band to offset ourselves from the other bands. I had to personally focus on doing better with the circle of people that I worked with. I even was coached on how to dress for the audience. What I noticed in 2008 was that some bands played too hard-the pressure of the situation and their reaction to that test (competing) made them nervous and they played faster and louder. People don't process at times that they need to settle their nerves as they play....knowing when they need to pull back and not play as loud and as fast. At the local level for competition in Denver, we knew we only had "one shot." Slowing down (seriously), nothing is too slow in the blues. Trampled Under Foot is not afraid to take their time to work a song. It may seem like forever when you are playing it but it is only a brief time...and the audience digests what you are trying to get across.
J: Having crafted a "smoking" type of blues on an electric violin that is unique and unusual, do you get the desired response that you are seeking from the audience or is it a delayed reaction. I noticed that when you play something, you turn and look at the audience...waiting for them to digest what they have heard. What are your secrets to winning over the audience.
L: Their reaction to my playing the violin is one of shock....the audience usually says...'Whoa...he is playing something different.' After their initial shock and you have gotten everyone's attention, you have to keep it and maintain it. If not, they tune you out and walk away after the first minute. You have to feel the connection. You may not get another chance...and (chuckling) that is why we play music. It is a learning process. Believe it or not, I am a SHY person, an introvert. A friend, Rachel, who has a Blues dance class helped me with my stage presence issues. She said that I was good ... (hesitating) something was missing. Rachel insisted..."Make me want to listen to you!" She said that I needed to pay attention to her, not myself. She said that I, the performer, had to appeal to her in a sexual, deep way and to relate to her with my music. (Sighing, answering slowly) I thought about it and worked very hard in that area. (Quickly adding) It is a scary thing when you are in front of people. Most people don't experience it every day and all day like performers. It makes people nervous and then you get an adrenalin rush. You learn to try different things. My thing...go within yourself to find refuge. It is not how good your vocals are...it's how you connect with people. People are very encouraging.
J: I have heard that you have researched music by listening to records. Do you have a collection of your own. What are your most valued records or which artists influenced you and why.
L: I have a lot of different kinds of records and different types of music. Sometimes I listen to everything that a person has put out. When I was young, I rode my bike to the Pittsburgh Public Library and listened to very old stuff...stuff that I found interesting and listened to very old stuff from far out and off the beaten path...violin music, gypsy recordings, Charlie Patten...stuff from the 20's and 30's. I listened to the complete recordings of Robert Johnson and Blind Lemon. I went on tangents and studied Albert and Freddie King. I would listen and listen until my ears were too tired to listen any more. I felt like a sponge listening to the music from the past. I draw on that to do what I do now.
J: Having studied and played music in Pittsburgh, would you share some of your 'burg experiences. What is on your to-do list while in the 'burg? Were there any Pittsburgh musicians that influenced or shaped your interpretation or style of music..
L: I studied music with the assistant concert master of music with the Pittsburgh Youth Symphony. I attended Central Catholic and Carnegie Mellon. Fritz Seigal was the student's concert master. I was around musicians every day. There is a strong blues community in Pittsburgh. They play it with real conviction. It is a neat city (excited and laughing). It is a cool place. I am always polarized by the warmth of the people and the yinzer accent! Pittsburgh's people are a 'unique' treasure! I AM a Steelers fan, always have been. Funny thing (laughing), I had just won the 2011 IBC and that was a GREAT experience. However, the next day the Steelers lost! I was devastated. I "flipped out." Football and music bring people together in Pittsburgh. I am looking forward to coming "home." I worked for awhile with Duane "Stackhouse" Johnson in the Midtown Playboys. I followed Mike Sallows on guitar and Lucy Van Sickle on harp. Lucy's father was a bass player in the symphony. I watched Chuck Watts teach guitar in Squirrel Hill. He knew everyone in town and I got to play.
J: Any special thoughts that you would like to tell the Pittsburgh Blues Fans about your blues. What should they expect.
L: Expect anything! It is my homecoming! I will lay a dozen roses on Heinz Field. Yes, (in a quiet, serious manner) I would like to add that I am writing music in preparation for unique challenges on December 2012. I strongly believe that no matter what happens, that if we stick together as people we will get through it. It is apocalyptic, it is factual... stay positive. See you in Pittsburgh.
~ Jonnye Weber
The voice from his website lures you in with his Oklahoma twang laced with Bostonian undertones. Simply said..."I'm Watermelon Slim. This is the place to get up close and personal with the blues.” A blues fan in Wheeling commented that Watermelon Slim was a rough and disheveled character but musically talented. Hmm! I leaned over and said...."Don't judge a book by its cover. You may just be surprised!" In 2002 after a brush with mortality, Bill Homans a.k.a. Watermelon Slim proclaimed, "Everything I do now has a sharper pleasure to it. I've lived a fuller life than most people could in two. If I go now, I've got an education, I've lived on three continents, I've played music with a bunch of immortal players, I've fought in a war and against a war. I have seen an awful lot and I've done an awful lot. If my plane went down tomorrow, I'd go out on top."
After two weeks of missing each other, I finally got through to Kenny Wayne Shepherd for an interview. It was thanks to his wonderful publicist, Jonnye Weber and I trying to get times settled. It was a short, interrupted interview, but We got most of what we wanted in.
If you haven't seen or heard "10 Days Out," the music and story are fantastic! Kenny visits blues legends and plays in their kitchens/small clubs. All these people are 75-95 years old. There are some great stories and music... a must for all blues lovers.
DON V. - Hi, Kenny, thanks for taking the time to talk .
KENNY - Oh, you're welcome. Please hang on, I'm stuck trying to check out here.
DV: (LAUGHING) . OK Kenny , take your time and let me know when you're set.
KWS: OK, I'm ready.
DV: First, let me say we're thrilled to have you back in Pittsburgh. I've seen you every few years going back to when you were 18. You seem to add something each time.
KWS: Thanks, I enjoy playing there. People seem to enjoy my music there.
DV: You started your career at 16 and recorded your first CD at 17 as a senior in High School. Do you think you missed out on having a 'regular teen life?' Just having fun with friends, No cares ?
KWS: No way, it was an incredible experience. I'm sure many kids would've changed places with me. Touring the world as a teen was just amazing! If I had a choice, I'd do it all over again the same way.
DV: Your newest CD/DVD, "10 Days Out," features quite a few blues legends. Is there one that you can say thrilled you the most to play with?
KWS: Oh, wow! There were so many it's hard to pick one. Of course, B.B King has been like a father to me and Hubert Sumlin, who I played with for the first time, became like a father, also. The one that knocked me out the most was Etta Baker, though. She was 90, and hadn't played guitar in quite a while. She picked it up and 'took me to school.' If you never heard her, she plays guitar like a ragtime piano.
DV: Ok, I haven't seen the DVD yet, but I have to now. Also on the DVD /CD is Bryan Lee. Wasn't your first appearance on stage with Bryan?
KWS: Oh, Yes. I was 13 and he gave me a chance. I love Bryan and I think he never got the credit he deserves as a musician.
DV: Fender introduced the "Kenny Wayne" Stratocaster last year. Congrats! You helped design it, didn't you?
KWS: Yes, it was quite an honor for me. It took three years to complete. I feel privileged to be in the same company as Clapton and Stevie Ray Vaughan .
DV: The sales are doing extremely well, aren't they?
KWS: Yes, they're backordered constantly.
DV: I know the 'strat' is your first love, and most know you for your guitar playing. However, I have to say I love the tunes you play on the Dobro. In particular, "Was" and "Every time it Rains." I crank them up every time they come on. When did you begin playing Dobro? Do you enjoy it?
KWS: I started playing Dobro a few years after guitar, and I love how it sounds. Those 2 songs especially, I thought were meant for Dobro. I'm by no means a great slide player. Derek Trucks is about the best around today. He's incredible to watch.
DV: Kenny, you have a pretty unique sound, I can usually pick out your songs in a few notes. Who were your early influences?
KWS: Well, there were many, but mainly Stevie Ray Vaughan and Jimi Hendrix. I met Stevie Ray when I was 7 years old, and decided that I was going to be a guitarist right then! So, I'd have to say Stevie Ray was my main influence.
DV: I hear you have a love for muscle cars? You do a tour with them?
KWS: Oh, yes! That's where we're heading now. A long stretch and I'm bringing my '69 Charger.
DV: Kenny, we're always looking for something new from you. Any new CDs on the way.
KWS: Yes, thank you. Let everyone know I have two CDs coming out this year. If you liked '10 Days Out,' you'll like the next one. It's a live CD with many of the artists I played with on the '10 Days Out' project.
Then later this year, around Christmas, we're putting out our next studio CD.
DV: Two CDs! That's a lot to look forward to from you. Can't wait to hear them and can't wait to see you again! See you in July. Thanks again.
~ Don Vecchio
Curtis Salgado, known for his powerful blues vocals and fine harp playing, was the recipient of a liver transplant in recent years. His story is intense and the results are amazing. I knew that I needed to learn more. Curtis's early career included: six years with the then "up and coming" guitarist, Robert Cray; fronting Roomful of Blues in 1984-1986; working with the Stilettos and touring with Steve Miller and The Doobie Brothers; and was lead vocalist with Santana in the 1990's. In 1979, John Belushi was filming Animal House in Curtis's home town, Eugene, Oregon. Belushi credited Curtis with schooling him on the blues. The Blues Brothers act that Belushi and Dan Akroyd put together was based on Curtis's show. Their first album was dedicated to Curtis.
A simple phone call to the west coast and a few hours later, I felt that Curtis Salgado and I were old friends. Sleepily, Curtis had answered the phone. He soon came to life and the interview was in "super charged" mode. His voice was warm and engaging. He was very thoughtful on many answers. We traded many stories...(sorry, I can't divulge many of them). He was very engaging, hearty and earnest with his answers.
Jonnye: Was the Blues Brothers phenomena the "breaking out" point in your career? Did the Blues Brothers open doors or has it held you back?
Curtis: (laughing huskily) If nothing else, it's a "great story." (Seriously) I am proud that the Blues Brothers Album was dedicated to me. It did get my name out there early on. I did not know Belushi or who he was. I finally realized that it was Dan Akroid who tried to get Belushi into the blues. Don Akroyd's muse in the blues was the Downchild Blues Band in Toronto, Canada. I became Belushi's muse. (Earnestly) I have always championed to have people know the history of blues. I am "into people knowing where the music comes from." I helped Belushi to learn about the T-Bone Walkers and the Lonnie Johnsons among the many others who formed the roots of the blues. I am grateful that I was in the right place. My role was a crucial part in the resurgence of blues...it created a much needed interest in this country....No doubt about it.
J: I loved your song, "Too Loose." You talked about losing you liver, losing your mind. There was a lot of living behind those
words. Was that a turning point in your life? Was this a cleansing for you or was this your way of relating to others about your chosen path?
C: (Seriously and quietly) I have been sober for 21 years. I was raised in the hip, party town of Eugene, Oregon during the 1950's and 1960's. It was artsy and had lots of music. I listened to the first generation of blues players that came to town while the folk music era was coming to life. (thoughtfully, he added) ...Son House, Otis Rush, Mississippi Fred McDowell, BB King). (emphatically) It was the times. Nobody knew what the results of those times would be.
J: How do you cope with "life, reality and mortality coming at you full force"?
C: Frankly, I do not think about it. I do know that the "older I get, the older I want to get." I was given six months with little chance of getting a liver. My girl friend, the community and my friends got me through. When I first was diagnosed, I stood up and walked around. A sudden boost of energy overtook me. I then decided that I was going to pick myself up and go kicking and screaming. I called people and the ball started rolling. I went between tests at the hospital and going on stage.
J: Many musicians and many in your community helped you when you were medically and financially challenged. How do you give back?
C: I have been giving talks to kids since I first got sober. I have talked at all levels of schools for drugs and alcohol abuse. (very seriously and with a deep sigh) The message: the consequences outweigh the pay off. I am their "direct link" with living fast. What you do as a young person comes back to you in later years. ....like getting a liver transplant...it all figures. Wow! These are great questions. I have done benefits for the Children's Cancer Hospital for many years. I still do drug talks but now I also talk at liver and cancer symposiums (Colorado, Chicago, Dallas). A doctor found me on the internet. I took a guitar player along to a meeting, played the blues and simply talked about my situation. That concept has "snowballed." I keep getting calls to talk about my medical journey.
J: What was your most memorable moment musically?
C: (Laughing) I have many. Hmmm. Hands down...Clifton Chenier when he stayed at my apartment in the 1970's. Great Zydeco. His blues were powerful and funky. His records do not do him justice. When he played, he "made me pee my pants." He was that good... Clifton and his Creole road manager, Davis Petrie, cooked me gumbo and red beans and rice.
J: Anything you want to tell the readers?
C: (Boisterously) I really like what I do. I do what I know...sing, play harp and try to write good songs. I am "old school." I am rich in friends and blessed in the eyes of God. It is overwhelming. I still pinch myself. In my eyes, I have won the Grammy of life with my fight to survive and the way people fought for me. (quickly he added) I had a good time playing at the Pittsburgh Blues Festival. Tell Moondog that I wear his shirt, "Please feed the hungry." Again, great interview and great questions!
Good night, Curtis.
What a feat! Many have clubs in the Pittsburgh area have risen, many have fallen over those many years. My mission: to track down that blonde haired man who is always on the run, Moondog, a.k.a. Ron Esser. I put on my “big game hat,” armed only with a tube of hot pink lipstick, and went on the hunt for the “big dog” himself. Ron Esser, the name is a statement in itself. Being an ardent supporter of the blues, Ron Esser’s club, Moondog’s, was bestowed with the “Keeping the Blues Alive Award” from the Blues Foundation in Memphis, Tennessee. He is the guy with the big, generous heart and a maverick spirit who is always on the move…planning the Greater Pittsburgh Area Food Bank Blues Festival, doing concerts in Erie, operating Moondog’s and at the Starlight, being a very involved family man, helping with benefits and loving the music. I finally cornered him, tied him to a chair to get him to sit still and talked with him about his thoughts about being the “big dog” of blues. (Just kidding about the chair, but I threatened to play tambourine at every event…he thought it over and decided to spill what was on his mind.)
Always smiling, talking with the blues fans, throwing in a few hearty laughs and just “being plain fun,” Eden Brent gives you a memorable performance every time. It was the afternoon of the 2009 Blues Challenge in Memphis. The blues fans were swarming into the beautiful Orpheus Theater on their way to hear the top ten bands in the Blues Challenge. The attractive, petite woman sitting at the baby grand whose fingers were romping over the keys stopped many in their tracks. Her voice was getting raspier with each tune that was called out for her to play. She tossed her hair and just kept playing. She had quite a following. Rewind to the day before. Jim and I had just joined the Blues girls, Evelyn and Judy, at the King’s Palace on Beale Street to hear the Yellow Dog Records Showcase. Rich Delgrosso, Mary Flowers and Fiona Boyes were entertaining the many who had crowded into the old showplace/eatery. We soon heard, “Get Eden up here!” The call resounded around the room for Eden Brent to come up and play the keyboards. Wow! Award-winning Eden Brent took the stage…her laugh, her zing, her enthusiasm…what a show!!!
Jonnye: Eden, I understand that you are from a small town north of Greenville, MS.
You lived beside a highway that meandered through swampland, long forgotten plantations and “blink and you miss ‘em communities that deadheaded into Highway 61 (The Crossroads of the Blues). Are you still headquartered in that area despite your travels far and wide. Are you still a girl from the Mississippi Delta or are you a girl that visits the Mississippi Delta.
Eden: Yes, I lived a little north of Greenville, MS on Highway 1 that paralleled Highway 61. It was close to Scott, Mississippi. (That is home to Big Bill Brunesy.) It is also where the Mississippi flood of 1927 caused the levis to break. I love it here and I am and always will be a Delta girl. (Laughing heartily)
J: You are known for your gusty vocals and “tear ‘em up” piano chops. You have an earthy meld of jazz, blues, soul and pop. I understand that you were an apprentice with the late blues pioneer, Boogaloo Ames. He often referred to you as “Little Boogaloo.” Stories have it that you both were “soul mates.” What kind of chemistry was there between you and him that took you down the path to Boogie Woogie piano?
E: I went to the University of North Texas. I did well in my academics but was not learning to play music as effectively as I wanted. I knew of Boogaloo who had been around for years. I took lessons from Boogaloo to “just be good on my own.” The relationship between us was magical. We went from teacher and student to performing together for sixteen years. We formed a strong friendship. I am committed to preserve his style of music and “honor what he showed me to do with the music.”
J: A journalist once said that your aura was a combination of a privileged, young white woman and an aging, black man in the Mississippi Delta. Could you share why you both needed each other and enjoyed each other’s contributions to make great music?
E: Until he died, I did not realize how much that I had adored him. He helped me to laugh and dance. Our relationship was unusual. Outwardly, we had nothing in common except for the piano. We came from different parts of town but forged a life-long friendship with mutual adoration. We represented the way people really are in the Delta. We are not Hollywood versions. We “broke the superficial stereo typical views of Mississippi.” Our relationship was a “truer picture of how life really was like in the Delta.” Boogaloo had played for the wealthy social classes of people and they adored him. Many assume that those same people were not supportive of our working relationship and friendship. That is untrue. In one interview Boogaloo said that, “I love her immensely.” (At this point, her voice sounded wistful and trailed off.)
J: You and Boogaloo did a documentary in 2002 for a South African production company entitled, “Forty Days in the Delta.” Why did South Africans come to America to find someone to do the piece?
E: (in a very serious tone) Demographically, the Delta is like South Africa. We share a common history, a colonial past and political similarities.
J: In 2004, you found yourself on the Legendary Rhythm and Blues Cruise. In 2005, you performed at the Presidential Inauguration with BB King and were featured on Blues Street Caravan and as an XM Blues vocalist. In 2006, you were the IBC winner in Memphis. How has the music world changed for you? Have you changed for the music?
E: (she paused and answered in a very thoughtful voice) I love jazz and pop. I was not sure where my niche was. After my first recording, I meandered. Boogaloo had died. I was learning to be me without him. In time, I was accepted into the Blues family. I started to concentrate on the Blues. All music has value and I still listen to it. I found that my market was the Blues. The Blues families welcomed my music and were warm and generous with their responsiveness. The Blues Foundation has worked hard to connect the music with the fans.
J: You are known for your spontaneity and carefree demeanor during a performance. Do you prefer a structured show or do you let the audience determine where your “magic carpet ride” will take you?
E: To maintain my authenticity, I do not have a set list. I have an idea of what to play. I change continually depending on the response. When I play solo, it is a little lonesome. When the audience becomes part of the performance, we are all part of the show.
J: Your mother, Carole Brent, wrote your acclaimed song, “Mississippi Flatland Blues.” Was that song written for you or did you feel that song was meant to be yours?
E: The song Mississippi Flatlands is a true song. The national economic recession is now becoming global. The Delta has always suffered from their loss of industry for many, many years. We notice nothing different. My mother died in 2006 while I was working on my record. It is important that I honor her memory for her influencing my life.
J: Congratulations on your 30th Anniversary Blues Foundation Awards for: 2009 Acoustic Artist of the Year and the 2009 Best Acoustic Album of the Year, “Mississippi Number One.” What was the energy like on that night, sharing the stage with Buddy Guy, BB King, Marcia Ball, KoKo Taylor and Janiva Magness?
E: It was nerve wracking. I loved being there and felt honored to be mentioned among the stellar names in the Blues world. It was like a dream come true to be in the same room and to be considered. I never imagined being this successful. It blows my mind and tickles me to pieces. I am more challenged than ever to be successful. I feel that I am now responsible to work harder as an entertainer to do something wonderful to make people happy when listening to the music.
J: Did you enjoy being a part of the Yellow Dog Showcase in Memphis?
E: Yes, indeed. Yellow Dog has wonderful artists on their label. I was tickled to be invited to be on their label. It is rare that we all have a chance to be together at once. It was a real treat. I enjoy listening to them as well as playing.
J: Any parting thoughts?
E: I hope that I am doing something folks enjoy. If not, let me know and I’ll do something different.
~ Jonnye Weber
Just In: Yellow Dog records just announced that Eden Brent has been nominated for awards in both the Living Blues Awards and the Blues Blast Music Awards.
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